I've been researching some different calibers for Ella. .32-20 seems to fit the bill pretty well. I know the brass isn't cheap, but not many things about shooting sports are, so I'll have to save elsewhere when I can. There are a lot of new .32-20 rifles and revolvers out there. .32 H&R is pretty much out of the question. It seems that when I have found any for sale, due to zero new manufacturing in single action, they can command high premiums. My thinking is that .32-20 is tame enough for her now, and she can use it later on too. She uses a 20 ga. auto for ducks with heavy loads and handles it well, so for the shotgun I am thinking a .20 ga SXS with low recoil low noise loads will be fine for the shotgun. Thanks for your input.