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What powder are you use'n?
  • I use Unique for all of our CAS loads.
    OR, Goex 3F BP.
    LG
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  • Hey I'm also new to reloading. Is it ok to mix different powders to make my own "special" blend! <):)
  • NO!----------------NEVER!!
    How would you pressure test them for all the calibers.........
    Don't fix- What ain't broken ;)
    LG
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  • ALWAYS-It's better to ask in this case than not.......
    Mix'n powders is a HUGE, NO-NO!
    LG
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  • of course you know I wuz kiddn'.....right?
  • Kinda figured you were........
    But, in my 47+ years of reloading. I have been asked that very question, many times, buy novice/new reloaders
    LG
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  • I mix powders all the time and nuthin ever blows up.

    Of course it the sweepins' off the floor under the press and it all goes in the rose garden. None of my roses have ever blown up...

  • As for my shooting, I've moved to Black Powder and substitutes and am having a ball making smoke. I'm not fast and I'm not accurate but I can make lots of smoke!!!
  • I would consider but not sure black powder with .38 caliber is all that impressive..
  • And THAT is why I shoot the Horse Pistols (Dragoons)! LOTS of smoke!
  • Don't knock it till you have tried it.
    Use 3F and fill the case till you compress the powder about 1/16" when you seat the bullet.
    LG
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  • Wish I had chosen .45 when I started. Now I know it's not about being fast but just having fun. A .38 with black powder would probably generate smoke like a Virginia Slim vs. @Grumpy 's Dragoons pumping out smoke like a fine Havana cigar.
  • Don't underestimate the smoke from a .38 Special and REAL 3F BP.
    LG
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  • I made the avatars larger for that? 8-|
  • YUP :D
    LG
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  • Grumpy said:

    I mix powders all the time and nuthin ever blows up.

    Of course it the sweepins' off the floor under the press and it all goes in the rose garden. None of my roses have ever blown up...



    I just let our dog lick the floor........
    Her farts have got'n LOUDER.     
    =))

    LG
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  • Hmmm.... that might explain our cat's missing tail...


  • Another mystery solved? Maybe this forum does have value!
  • rusty said:

     Maybe this forum does have value!



    Just keep tell'n yourownself that.       :-))
    LG
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  • MG, Lumpy some of us HAVE been down wind of you.



    Oh, yah, the original question......I use either HP38 or Win231 in my loads. Shotgun I started with CLAYS but finally found some WINLITE
  • MG, Lumpy some of us HAVE been down wind of you.



    OH-And this from 'King Methane'.......  =))
    LG
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  • WINLITE.  Is that Winchester AA Lite?  
  • Yep, and Lumpy just told me they're discontinued it.


    TF
  • For 12 ga. I use 17.5 gn of Unique, for 1oz shot loads.
    Less recoil(as per Barbara)than the WW 'featherlite' load.
    Gary
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  • Discontinued?  It is still on Winchesters website.  Couldn't find any discontinuance chatter other than winlite slug ammo.
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  • no biggie. plenty of other powder out there......now if the In-n-Out Double Double was discontinued, THAT would be a shame!
  • Fosters Freeze in Rosamond has a bdl BACON cheese burger to die for, and the very best onion rings you will ever have! 
    Hey-Check into Robbers Roost Vigilantes as they have a great annual in May, you should check out!
    Entry fee includes 3 meals.

    Gary


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  • What's that red and green stuff for?   
    Only need pickles 'n onions with the BACON and cheese.........
    Gary
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  • That'll do..........
    Gary
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  • I am using Unique for all of my pistol caliber loads in the .44s. I have backed down, well, a year or two ago, from 8.2 grains to 8.0 grains. With a 200 grain round nose flat point cast bullet, I was getting 965fps from my 4 5/8" Super Blackhawks and 1265fps from my 20" B-92 with the 8.2grs and now I am getting 930fps from the wheel guns and still 1250 plus from my 24" Puma 92. In Montana Jewel's guns, I am using Bullseye in her Starline, .357 Magnum cases. 6.0 grains with a 125 grain tapered flat nose cast bullet in everything. Haven't chrono'ed them yet but they are hot, just how she likes them, and I approve as well, because you might as well practice with something you can "make war" with, should the zombies come a knockin!

    Doc
  • The issue with the hot loads(above SASS's max)is 'splash-back' and target damage. With the now stupid close placement of SASS targets these dayz. 'Splash-back' is even a bigger concern.
    The big reasons I stopped using Bullseye was the sensitivity to temperature change and the lot to lot variation I found.
    This was back in my NRA 'Bullseye' match dayz when we load'd to the bottom of the chart for .38 Special and .45 acp.
    LG
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  • I'd be interested to know the fps on her loads.
  • Yeah, I will have to chronograph her loads through both rifle and pistol. I have a Colt Lightening clone, A Berretta Gold Rush with a 24" barrel, that I have data for. By inference, she is below the 1400fps in her 20" Model 92 but probably right at the max of 1000fps in her pistols. As for Lumpy's experience with Bullseye, I agree, all of the faster powders exhibit sensitivity and velocity variation at the lower load densities. I experienced this phenomena in loading for 45acp with Unique. In trying to come up with a light load with 200 grain cast bullets, I witnessed all manner of velocity variation over the Chronograph, along with varying numbers of unburned powder flakes. Once I increased my load up to a more normal level for 45acp's that all went away and the standard deviation fell into a much smaller band.

    Doc
  • I can bring a chrono out this weekend.
  • I don't know if this is the right place to talk about powders for anything other than main match loads, but here I go! I am using Hodgdon's H4198 for all of my rifle caliber loading. It is just one of those powders that seems to fill the bill for everything cowboy. I load it in 30-30Winchester, 30-40Krag, 38-55, and 45-70Gov't, all with great success. It might not be the exact powder to wring the last 5% of performance from the 30-30 or the 30-40Krag, but it will work pretty danged good. In the 45-70Gov't, I have loads that range from under 1300fps with a cast 300 grain bullet from my 26" Browning 1886, to over 2200 fps with a 300 grain Barnes "X" bullet in my 18" Marlin Guide Gun. The same can be said of the 38-55 as well. I have 260 grain, moly coated Bear Creek bullets from 1000fps on up to Cast Performance gas checked 260's at over 1800fps, all on the one powder. If you are the kind of person who hates to have to manage the inventory of many different kinds of powder, this one is a great choice for cowboy rifle calibers!

    Doc.
  • Another good powder choice for those calibers is IMR 3031.
    Meters through a powder measure with ease.
    LG
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  • Interestingly, IMR3031 is the other powder that I used in side by side load development with the H4198. I tested it extensively in the 45-70 and tried it to some degree in the 30-30, but my results in the 45-70 testing put me off of it and onto the 4198 for good. In the 45-70, I experienced a good number, in the dozens, of unburned powder granules that would rain down into the action upon ejection of the spent cartridge. This was with the 300 grain bullets of either cast or the jacketed variety at loadings anywhere below 1500fps. I never had this problem with the H4198, even when velocities fell to 1100fps. On the other end of the spectrum, with 60 odd grains of powder and 300grain jacketed hollow cavities, recoil was noticeably sharper with the 3031 than with the 4198. With that crescent butt plate, the 1886 gets rather uncomfortable starting around 1600fps for me. By the time I reached 2100fps, I could really tell the difference, and appreciate it as well, between the two, very different recoil impulses. The 3031 gave up a very sharp, and muy painful, recoil impulse where the 4198 delivered what felt to me more like a strong, longer lasting push which, by the way, was still very un-fun. As those of you who are checking your burn rate charts right now have discovered, this flies in the face of the logic that, it should be the opposite, seeing as the 4198 is one notch faster than the 3031. By the way, I have driven a 300 grain JHC at 2380 using 4198, and published load data, with no ill effects, such as difficult extraction or burst primers. That recoil impulse is why I now own a Marlin Guide Gun for the hot stuff!

    Doc
  • Strange, as my testing in my 26" bbl'd '86, in .45-70 was the opposite.
    I finally settled on using 15gn of Unique with my 420 gn, rnfp bullet.
    Clean burn'n with some-what mild recoil, and very accurate. Bullet speed was just over 1300fps.
    LG
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  • Yeah it did seem strange. I think that the unburned powder problem stemmed from the light for caliber, 300 grain bullets. I had problems with those all the way to, what was published data for 1700fps with JHC's, but which delivered a disappointing 1500 something fps over the chrono. I just plain got tired of the unburned powder so gave up on the 3031. When I loaded 405 grianers though, the unburned powder was not an issue. This led me to believe that the 3031 was better suited to the heavier bullets and bottle neck rifle cartridges. The 4198 runs clean with all bullet weights, I never find unburned powder, and it chromos much more closely to the published data.

    Doc
  • Big downside of 4198, it's like try'n to meter toothpicks through the powder measure. 3031 is very consistent.
    BTW-I have never had good luck with any bullet under 400gns in the .45-70.
    LG
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  • Hodgdon Rifle Powders -- Web Site -- Email

    H4198 info from their website, H4198 is a specialized extruded powder that works extremely well in the 7.62 x 39 Russian. This propellant is also excellent for the .222 with 50 gr. bullets and some other calibers very different in nature including the .45/70 and the .444 Marlin. H4198 also works well in some obsolete American rifle cartridges such as .32/40 Ballard and .40/170 Maynard. Our H4198 performs similar to most lots of IMR 4198. Hodgdon H4198 has undergone a grain size change. It has been shortened to improve metering and improve loading density in most applications. It now meters so smoothly that bench rest shooters are using it freely through their sophisticated powder measures and receiving record breaking groups, as well. Ballistic performance is the same as the outstanding original.
    This "Grain Size Change" happened a dozen or so years ago. It meters great! Give it a try with the 300s, you will love it!

    Doc
  • Salesmanship at it's finest-
    BTW-Everything that 4198 does, is done better with Varget ;)
    LG
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  • Doesnt Varget have the same extruded shape.....and same metering issues?
  • Yes & yes-
    Far more temp stable and consistent from lot to lot.
    My Remmy 700 LR rifle loves 'V' with 175gn SMK bullets.
    LG
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  • I don't have any experience with Varget. It is much slower than either 3031 or 4198 and I don't think that it would cover the broad range of Cowboy Calibers that these two do. Hodgdon lists it as their slowest powder for loading in either the 30-30 or the 45-70, and doesn't even list data for its use in either the 38-55 or the 30-40Krag. Sounds like a good one to try for extreme stability loads though.

    Doc
  • 'V' is the standard for match grade accuracy in 30cal+ bottleneck rifles cartridges.
    LG
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  • And it is a go-to for standard 5.56 (.223) AR loads .
  • rusty said:

    And it is a go-to for standard 5.56 (.223) AR loads .


    I much prefer H-335 for .223/5.56mm ammo.
    Meters great through any powder measure and burns very clean.
    My 'go-to-load' is, 25gn of H-335 and a 55gn fmj bullet with a 'mag' sr primer.
    LG
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  • Sounds like good info. I have never loaded for an AR, but is sounds like these would be the go-to powders for that cartridge. Over the years, I have been on a quest to reduce the number of powders that I keep. I have done well in that regard and am still able to load for all of my junk. I can tell you that once I am through this eight pounder of WW 296 Ball, I won't be getting any more of it. I find it to be only good for the top end of the load spectrum for my 44 Magnums (full power) and unusable for any reduction at all. In fact, Winchester warns not to fill less than 95% of the available space or it could be dangerous. It doesn't work worth a darn with 180 grain bullets, no matter how heavy a crimp you apply, and it flame cuts the frame of the revolvers horribly. 2400 seems to be a much better choice.

    Doc
  • You do know that WW 296 and H-110 are the same powder.
    I use that powder for top end loads in my Freedom Arms .454 Casull.
    LG
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  • Lumpy...I want all of your toys
  • Get in line-- =))
    LG
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  • I MUST shoot that .454
  • It is the finest made revolver I've ever owned.
    Top end loads w/300+ gn bullets are showing 1500 fps in the crono.
    My plink'n load is a 255 gn plated SWC over 9 gns of Unique. This load has won more than a few target matches.
    LG
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  • I have seen it and shot it, it is a gorgeous piece of gear. It shoots real nice too! To give a power comparison, the best I can do is 1500fps with a 200gr Hornady XTP out of my 8" Dan Wesson. That Casull packs a wallop!

    Doc
  • Is the Dan Wesson a .45?
  • No, the Dan Wesson is in .44 Magnum. Most of the loading that I have done for this revolver is using Winchester 296 Ball powder. I just went out a few weeks back and shot a couple of boxes of 200gr Hornady XTP's over 27.7 grains of it which gives 1450 over the chronograph. WW brass and WLP primers.

    Doc
  • I was able to grab a couple of hours today to finish off about 200 or so .45Colt rounds.

    20gn by weight of 777 FFG Black powder substitute under a 210gn "Big Lube" cast bullet out of real wheel weight lead Lubed with homemade Felix lube.

    This is my standard BP Cowboy load for my revolvers and rifle.

    I'm set for a couple more matches over the summer. I have a few more empties, I might load up some more tomorrow.

  • Why not use the real stuff?
    LG
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  • Availability is all. I prefer the real black but 777 is far easier to find so far.
    I not picky. I'll shoot whatever I can get. Except those expensive black powders, those are out of my league.
  • I order all of my BP from here, and have it deliver'd to my home. ;)
    https://www.powderinc.com/

    LG
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  • the price is actually better than smokeless if you order in quantity.
  • I order in 25 lb. lots.
    For those not versed in the BP life.
    Gun clean up and lube'n are a whole new world
    Guns must be clean'd ASAP after shooting as BP is VERY hydroscopic . Rust will start in a short time.
    LG
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  • Yeah, I've seen that site before, but I'm not willing to store large quantities in my garage. So I buy 1 or 2 lbs at a time. I've checked with my County Fire Marshall and am told I can't legally store more than 2lbs (full bottles) of BP in my home. Smokeless and Substitutes I can store 50lbs. I mentioned it's not unusual to need FFG, FFFG, and FFFFG which makes 3 lbs. He said only counts FULL containers not partials. So, I try to keep some partial bottles of each around.

    I'm sure I could get away with more, but I would hate it if my house burned down and my insurance refused to pay over something like a measly 100lbs of Black Powder... LOL.

    Anyway, I'm too cheap to buy 25lbs of pounder in one purchase.
  • The gasoline in the tank of you car that's sit'n in the garage is 100 times more explosive than BP in it's container.
    You can buy small amounts-The HAZ-MAT fee is the same for 5 lbs as 50 lbs.
    I can assure you that Powder Inc will mix different granulations, within a shipment.........
    Powder Inc is the master distributor for Goex BP.
    Remember this-A full 70 gn load in say a .45-70 bp load. Will only get you about 100 rnds of ammo from a 1 pound container of BP.
    Your choice to buy in bulk and save $$$, or not--
    Buying 25 lbs lot from Powder Inc will be cheaper in the long run, than buy'n 1 or 2 lbs at a time at retail-Do the math.
    LG

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  • Yeah but... oh never mind...
    Thanks.

  • From the Powder Inc site for Goex powder
    Price to your door-
    5 lb. lot: $25.5 per lb.
    10 lb. lot: $20.05 per lb.
    25 or 50 lb. lot: $16.20 per lb.
    Price includes shipping and hazmat fee.

    Maybe you could find some folks and split an order......
    I just rec'd a 25 lb order a couple of weeks ago.
    LG

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  • $27.49 per pound at Bass Pro, I pick it up 2 lbs max at a time. I just have to order it and they'll tell me when I can pick it up. 2 bucks more and I get to look around when I'm there.

    Remember, I can't have more than 2 lbs of true black in my house/garage at a time. I can have many more of smokeless and/or BP substitutes without worry.

    Powder inc is good, I just don't buy on that scale.

    I appreciate the info, I'm sure it fits your situation fine.
  • That's not real BP-
    Get the real stuff, and you'll never use that other stuff again.
    Where do you live that restricts you to just 2 lbs ??
    For me in LA County, it's 25 lbs of BP.
    Now, as for smokeless powder-I might be a bit over the limit and we won't even talk about primers--------
    LG
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  • The price I showed was Goex. I'm using 777 right now because I got it when I could not get BP. So it gets used first. I am no powder snob (Uh, I mean "expert") LOL, and I use 777, Pyrodex and Goex equally. I don't have the issues that are commonly written about. They all go boom, lots of smoke and the bullet hits the earth down range every time.
  • Can't ask for more than that. ;)
    LG
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  • I put in a search for California black powder regulations and the big rule seems to be California Health and Safety Code 12101-12112 Which says there are no regulations on the private ownership and storage of less than 20 pounds of smokeless powder and less than one pound of black powder. After that, a person needs to get permits. Be careful! It also states that black powder shall only be owned for loading in small arms of .75 caliber or less. Mortar anyone? Take a look and see for yourselves.

    Doc
  • Those rules are in place for counties and citys that don't have their own regs.
    I don't know anyone that would have a BP mortar like you describe. :D
    IIRC, LA Country was 25lb. Could have change'd--
    LG
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  • I checked it all out with my County Fire Marshall (Riverside County). He mistakenly told me 25lbs of powder was ok, but then I reminded him I was talking about 3 grades of Black Powder. He then corrected himself and said the County code was 2lbs max of BP.

    However, he was cool and said if they somehow found 2lbs of unopened BP and a couple partial bottles, that they only would count the full unused bottles. Now that's not code but it is how he told me he would look at it.

    When would he see what I have? Good question. If I had to have a fire put out they would probably have to tromp around in my house or garage where the powder was. No inspections are ever made.

    I'm mostly worried about my fire insurance. I had a friend who had to fight the insurance co. for every dime to rebuild their hose after the garage caught fire due to an electrical short. They had to problem with his self installed wireing, but they tried to deny money over his bullets that all cooked off. I was there when the firemen were putting out the fire and they didn't even flinch (much) when they started popping. Practically harmless.

    I'm not worried about my smokeless powders but I do worry about my BP.
  • BP is put in plastic containers like smokeless so it will burn and not explode-
    Some day, you'll have to see my garage-Then you'll feel fine about yours- =))
    LG

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  • Interesting I never even considered limitations on quantity. If the market for powder wasn't so unreliable this wouldn't be an issue.
  • agreed!
  • I agree, it is much less the concern for the actual law, but rather, getting the home owner's insurance to pay up after a disaster. If they can lay claim that the damage wouldn't have happened or would have been less if the powder wasn't there, they will use every trick in the book to not pay the claim.

    Doc
  • I have seen them play that game because of the gas in your car inside your garage and a gallon of gas stored also in the garage........
    LG
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  • Getting out of their responsibility is the name of their game!

    Doc
  • You should have seen the crap the insurance outfits tried after the Crown fire here.
    LG
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  • I can imagine!

    Doc
  • Hey! Speaking of powder, Deadwood Dealer said that he thought he could help you out, Lumpy that is, with getting some Unique. He has a connection and he offered to help out at yesterday's match, so get with him.

    Doc
  • THX Doc, but I have no contact info for him.
    Did he have some 'on hand'??
    LG
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  • No, he said to get in contact wit Rusty and get the contact info from him. I don't think he has any on hand, he is just working closely with a powder guy. Rusty has his contact info.

    Doc
  • Will do-Rusty is in Cortez, Co. now and should be home in a week or so.
    LG
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  • Hi Lumpy, Check your e-mail. I am not sure if this is current or not but you could give it a try.

    My Best
    Doc
  • Will do-
    LG
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  • Heard you got the powder that you needed, and at a pretty good price as well! That's great!

    My Best
    Doc
  • Yes, I did. 3 lbs of Unique, THX to Deadwood Dealer.

    LG
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  • That should hold you for a spell! You would need to ask, but I think that Camp Cookie has a load that uses something like a quarter or a half grain of Unique. That should last some good long time! =))
  • That's OK-I want my bullets to make it out of the barrel.... :-&
    LG
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  • That being said I think I'll work the unloading table when Cookie shoots. :-t
  • Those days are long past for Cookie, his loads are great now.

    Doc
  • Lumpy you saw the follow-up email for more Unique right? Deadwood had a few more containers for sale.
  • YUP-Got some more.
    LG
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